I know this is trying to be witty satire towards racism in America but really……100%. The film just seems kinda dumb
dumb to make a movie about racism that is racist itself with the angry black woman and dumb white stereotypes
welcome to 21st century cinema where you can be blatantly racist but as long as you say you are making a statement then its deemed as witty and a masterpiece and people will ignore the racist remarks and stereotypes.
It’s not racism though, it’s satire. A true form of it, as it actually comes from marginalized individuals and not white guys (Stephen Colbert, Jon Stewart).
People can watch Comedy Central, shows like Family Guy and South Park, shows with blatantly offensive stereotypes that have a history of dehumanization and call it “comedy” or “satire” but somehow aren’t able to understand and empathize with the blatant racism and microagressions white people put on Black people everyday, instead, they call it racism. The irony is astounding!
I agree, both are “comedy” and both are “satire” using racism and stereotypes to confront racism and stereotypes.
What is the point of the film? To make people who go through this, or for those that think that they go through what all will be mentioned in the film [such as hair touching, but never mind people of various skin colors do this], happy and satisfied. It reflects their perception of reality. It reflects what they go through on the day to day basis, or what they perceive, or what they perceive black people in general have to face with white people.
So they are making a statement for themselves, as they are being equally racist. If not, then why direct an entire film towards one group of people when many of the issues that I have seen addressed in the previews is true for everyone or some people, or for black people as well? I do watch Family Guy and South Park, but at least they make fun of everyone, including the main characters.
"Think that they go through something?" I don’t like the implication that you think of Black people as delusional (except yourself of course). Hair? There are hair types that only Black people have. That’s a fact. People (white people) have curiosity but often aren’t respectful about it and touch hair without permission. Bringing up other races is not relevant or applicable, and it derails the subject matter at hand.
Racist? Impossible. This film will have no net negative societal consequences on white people other than perhaps enlightening them to certain behaviors that they have and preconceived notions of Black people. Unless of course your willing to prove that white people will face some type of impact marginalization due to this singular film vs 350+ years of oppression that Black people have faced that only has been somewhat addressed in the past 50 years. In simpler terms, you cannot undo 350 of oppression in 50.
Anti-blackness only applies to Black people, not anyone else.
Family Guy and South Park are not comparatively better than this singular film. People will make excuses for those shows transphobia, racism, homophobia and sexual assault but this one singular film is equally as bad? Let’s take context into the equation please.
And just to reiterate, I don’t appreciate the language that you used to describe Black people’s feelings as something in their head.
I recollect you mentioning that you’ve never faced racism or discrimination of any kind due to race and due to your lack of experience, I do not think you’re qualified to state that it’s a “human thing.” You can only learn so much from books, and books aren’t a substitute for lived reality, that’s one simple truth.
If you looked at the “or”, you would know that I did not imply anyone was delusional. Rather, some black people actually go through those issues whereas other perceive that they are. I don’t know how you could take issue with a statement that acknowledges that both can be true…
I am aware about the hair. I am also natural, but it seems the only people that have an issue with it or are curious about it so far are other black people, and the majority are women. Other people that have only experienced white people touching their hair may believe that it is what only white people do, clearly this is not the case. I’m not saying this just for me either, based on my observation I have seen only black people invade the spaces of other black people. This may be due to my environment, since I am usually surrounded by those of my skin color. The importance here is that it is just not white people, so why direct that stereotype on one group of people? That is my issue. It expresses clear intolerance and prejudice to one group of people based on stereotypes and generalizations. This film is simply based on the majority experience, or the some, or the few with white people.
For example in your sentence: “This film will have no net negative societal consequences on white people other than perhaps enlightening them to certain behaviors that they have and preconceived notions of Black people.” You are making a general statement of an entire group of people who are just as diverse as you and I are. How do you know what preconceived notions that they have about you, or me, or black people? You don’t know. Maybe in your experience the white people you have dealt with were negative towards you, making assumptions and so on, but that is not true for an entire group of people. So why make this sentence a general statement rather than a specific one? Are you seeing my issue here?
As for the oppression, some have rose above it through those years. If you are still feeling the oppression I cannot say anything to that. It’s your life and your experience. As for me, I was never a slave and neither were my parents and grandparents, but they did grow up during the Jim Crow era. Likewise, they grew up during that time so they will, understandably, have emotional scars that I can and will never relate to. However, if there are others within my generation that feel those scars, again I can’t say anything to that. I acknowledged their experiences as well.
That is your opinion of the two shows. I do watch them, but I never said that they are funny and I never denied the racism. I simply stated that at least they make fun of everyone. They at least make fun of themselves. That is the difference.
Excuse me if it seemed as if I implied anything else other than what was stated. I did try to be clear and put “or”, because I understand that some do and some don’t. I am just as qualified to type on this as you are. I grew up in a rural predominantly black neighborhood. I grew up where most are poor, including myself at one point and time. I grew up and still living in a self-segregated town. I listen to my parents stories about great uncles and aunts that are still living or have recently passed about their experiences. My mother works at a nursing home and she still has to face the older generation that can’t leave their racist views behind. My late grandma had to work in one of the historic homes in my town and I am sure she faced racism during her day to day activities. I hear stories of people living on my road having faced physical harm from racist when I was younger. I have not gone through these issues personally, but I am just as qualified in discussing this issue as you are. Yes I have read books on this issue because the topic of every family dinner and gathering is racism and what all white people do. Yes I get some of my information from books and articles that I have read, because racism and the belief that I am a victim because of what they have or are going through has been hammered in my head by my family, ever since I was a child.
So please do not tell me what I can or can not discuss. If you question my “credentials” again just ask me next time, do not assume.
Thank you for responding.
If the only people who had issues with “Black hair” were other Black people, natural hair wouldn’t be so stigmatized. That isn’t to say that fellow Black people cannot harbor anti-black sentiments but to purely put blame on Black people ignores the discrimination a person can face if they aren’t wearing an assimilated hair style. A person has to look at the root of where it comes from, especially since Black people are telling you that they get stigmatized due to hair styles. Of course it doesn’t end with white people historically black universities, some of them have hair bans as well and call it “professionalism.” You have to look at the root and it has origins in slavery. Black people can internalized white supremacy; root cause, whiteness.
When my comment with regards to societal ramifications, white people do not face anti-blackness, so they do not have any experience in that regard. It’s not a generality as much as it is reality. White people don’t face racism. While that me be a point of contention for some, one only has to look as statistics separated by race to notice differences in treatment. I’m not just talking about criminal issues here, I’m talking about health and mental health issues; for example the “tuskegee experiment.” White people aren’t treated like Black people. That isn’t dismissing any experiences that a white person could potentially have, just that they don’t face certain things. Black stereotypes in media have a much wider and broader impact than supposed white stereotypes. A white girl in uggs drinking starbucks isn’t comparable to a black girl who merely colored her hair and is considered to be ghetto and ratchet. The stereotypes have completely different impacts. Nothing I said diminishes white individuality.
Oppression isn’t merely being a slave or living in Jim Crow, not taking away any sort of impact or relevance those living in those era’s had Black people living in 2014 still face oppression, is it the same exact thing? No but it cannot be discounted. I feel like a lot of people can undercut what Black people still face in this era.
I still question your experiences because based on your response and previous interactions, you don’t have certain experiences. It seems like you don’t have a lot of experience with white people and Black people who do have experiences with white people are trying to tell you something but you aren’t getting it.
I grew up around white people, I lived in a diverse city and attended predominantly Black schools and I also attended predominately white schools. I’ve seen first hand how cruel white people, children and adults have treated me based purely on my skin color. I have over 20 years of personal experience with it. So forgive me if I find it facetious to think that white people know what it’s like to face anti-blackness.
My parents(who are both white) who were both born in 1940 are much much MUCH more progressive than the majority of white people that I’ve met in my entire life. It isn’t to say that I’m calling white people evil, but I’ve noticed their despicable behavior and racism. I do not accept excuses. We live in an age of the internet, white people in 2014, have no excuse to harbor any ill will towards Black or other PoC in my opinion. If my parents could educate themselves then that’s a standard I’m going to hold white people to. I think it’s more than fair.
I also want you to remember that this film is receiving negative reviews from white people who haven’t even seen the movie yet. Racial bias is showing already, these same people will tell Black people that depictions in media aren’t offensive just because they say so and have no experience. They don’t know what it’s like to be Black so it isn’t surprising that they don’t see racism when they’ve never faced it. Why should I give people like that the time of day? It’s like a dog teaching biology, it doesn’t make any sense.
Thank you for the elaboration on experiences and family situations however, I still don’t think your grasping the big picture here and no, I’m not discounting your families experiences. I’ve also seen post and content from anti-sj blogs on your page so, I’m also a bit weary of your opinions based on the incendiary nature of those blogs as they attack PoC and other marginalized groups, create fake troll posts and use those posts, whether on purpose or through inability to check origins to attack so called “social justice” and as a result marginalized groups are further harmed. Look at the recent 4chan diabolical. 4chan attacked tumblr because 4chan trolled 4chan.